*sigh* And it all goes south
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So I've been writing up a storm over on The Repo! kink meme and really enjoying myself. It's pretty PR0N0, so consider yourself warned if you decide to check it out. Anyway, an Anon (nothing against him/her being Anon, it's a kink meme so we're all Anon) is angry at my characterization of Graverobber/Shilo. I explained why I wrote them like I did and why the story went where it did, and the Anon responded WITH CAPSLOCK OF RAGE!!!!
I just really need to rant about it. I mean, how the hell are you supposed to write this pairing and not have it be a little bit disturbing on some level or another? Shilo's a 17-year-old girl who's been locked in her bedroom her entire life. Graverobber's a 28-year-old drug-dealer who robs graves. The power imbalance in any relationship between them should be fairly obvious.
I really did sit down and think it out before I ever started writing. He is fond of her, and he truly has convinced himself he's doing what's right for her, but Graverobber is not about to move to the suburbs and get a dog and a mortgage. He really does think he's doing her a favor: getting her off the streets (or in this case, out of the cemetery) for a couple of days, feeding her, buying her clothes, and leaving her a bus ticket. Of course, we (the audience) know that what he's doing isn't right, and I (the author) do not inherently agree with his actions. I thought I did a good job of putting in a lot of hints as to Graverobber's true intentions -- he thinks of Shilo as his 'child bride' when checking them into the motel, he doesn't get a room with two beds, he puts her in the bed with him, he constantly considers abandoning her. Graverobber justifies everything he does to himself as being in Shilo's best interests. He doesn't force himself on her, and makes an early attempt to back out, but when she shows a bit of willingness he gives in pretty easily. I didn't intend for it to come across as perfect and romantic and wonderful, but I guess I went a little too far.
midnight_united, I'm sorry I inadvertantly started anything resembling a flame war in your lj, and after we've been friends for only a day. I really did not mean to. Repo! is such a small fandom that I would never want to stir up any shit and alienate anyone. It does suck for me in the sense that I was really enjoying myself and having a good time, and I thought I was entertaining folks and not pissing them off. That's not my intention in any way. I try not to harsh the squee, y'know?
I just really need to rant about it. I mean, how the hell are you supposed to write this pairing and not have it be a little bit disturbing on some level or another? Shilo's a 17-year-old girl who's been locked in her bedroom her entire life. Graverobber's a 28-year-old drug-dealer who robs graves. The power imbalance in any relationship between them should be fairly obvious.
I really did sit down and think it out before I ever started writing. He is fond of her, and he truly has convinced himself he's doing what's right for her, but Graverobber is not about to move to the suburbs and get a dog and a mortgage. He really does think he's doing her a favor: getting her off the streets (or in this case, out of the cemetery) for a couple of days, feeding her, buying her clothes, and leaving her a bus ticket. Of course, we (the audience) know that what he's doing isn't right, and I (the author) do not inherently agree with his actions. I thought I did a good job of putting in a lot of hints as to Graverobber's true intentions -- he thinks of Shilo as his 'child bride' when checking them into the motel, he doesn't get a room with two beds, he puts her in the bed with him, he constantly considers abandoning her. Graverobber justifies everything he does to himself as being in Shilo's best interests. He doesn't force himself on her, and makes an early attempt to back out, but when she shows a bit of willingness he gives in pretty easily. I didn't intend for it to come across as perfect and romantic and wonderful, but I guess I went a little too far.
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Date: 2008-12-12 08:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-12 09:28 pm (UTC)What gets me is that Repo! the movie has people being disembowled, a woman stabbing her eyes out, and barely-restrained incestuous longing, but my fic was apparently too shocking for their sensibilities. There's another fic on there with necrophilia, and mine is apparently just too sick and wrong (nothing against the author of the necrophilia ficlet, I glanced at the first section and it seemed well-written, it's just that if necrophilia doesn't cause furor, and my GR/Shilo fic with only very slight dubcon connetations does, then I don't know WHAT to think).
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Date: 2008-12-12 10:22 pm (UTC)ETA: Nevermind, I found parts two and three on my own. *sighs* It's all kinds of hot, made even hotter by the bad-wrong. :D
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Date: 2008-12-13 01:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-12 09:42 pm (UTC)And I think you're absolutely right. There's an incredible imbalance of power in whatever type of relationship they would have and both are acting as they probably would in those situations.
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Date: 2008-12-12 09:45 pm (UTC)Y'know, I'm half-tempted now to write a fic where GR and Shilo are basking in the afterglow, and he starts babbling about getting a house and puppies and babies, and Shilo's like, "WTF, bitch." And post it to the Kink Meme and see if it satisfies people. I probably won't though, because I try not to be a bitch (emphasis on TRY).
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Date: 2008-12-12 10:03 pm (UTC)It might start a flame war, though, so I guess if you do just be careful (duh, me).
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Date: 2008-12-13 01:19 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-12 11:56 pm (UTC)I loved them. And seeing as I had made the requests, the flamer can fuck off.
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Date: 2008-12-13 01:17 am (UTC)I am so very glad you liked them. I really didn't think my interpretation was overly dark for the world of Repo! (in fact, I was worried that the sex scene wasn't rough enough for the 'rough sex' prompt). And GR is a good guy, in the sense that he would still have helped Shilo out regardless of whether she slept with him or not, but he's still a young man with some selfish urges. The sexual dynamics are what make it interesting for me. It's a challenge to make these two connect on a level that doesn't make Shilo too jaded or GR too noble.
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Date: 2008-12-13 05:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-03 01:31 am (UTC)I was honestly blown away by how good your characterization was, and I'll repost the comment I made there:
I gotta say- your thought process here is COMPLETELY BRILLIANT. I absolutely adore it when I read GR written the way he was portrayed in the movie- a selfish bastard with charisma to spare. Loved this.
Personally, I think your characterization was spot on. They have a twisted, unhealthy dynamic, because they're both rather fundamentally unhealthy in some key ways when it comes to relating to other people. So. Absolutely awesome, if I do say so myself.
Nice!GR gives me hives. EVILFUCKINGSADISTICBASTARD!GR is often no better. But Mr. Out-For-Himself, jaded, gray character who does stuff that we hate, yet maintains something that makes us like him anyway, somehow? Now THAT'S IC. Great work.
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Date: 2009-01-03 02:05 am (UTC)I didn't look at the comments on the third chapter after I got flamed, to keep myself from replying and keeping the flamewar going. So I missed your comment the first time, and it's gratifying to have it here.