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I am cheerfully childfree. And animalfree. And I have a bad track record at keeping plants alive.
Dead people are far lower-maintenance... ;-D

I left the LJ childfree group because quite a few of the people on it were of the "preferring animals to people of all ages" variety. I like human beings (grown-up ones) because, much as I like cats and dogs, I've never sat up all night drinking coffee and discussing poetry with them! ;-D

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Hee! I don't have any children (yet) myself. But some of those childfreers are so scary that not only do you wonder if they were ever children themselves, you wonder if they were ever part of the human race.

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They admit their sense of humour is non-PC.

I don't regard myself as 'normal' human. And I never felt as if I was a child. Children were the horrible, stupid, irrational, violent little brutes that bullied me for years. I always preferred adult company.

I'd rather take cyanide than have a child.

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The thing is, no one, except possibly your mom, cares if you ever have kids or not. It's the attention-whoring of childfreers that annoys me. This right here is every conversation I've ever had with a childfreer:

CF: I don't like kids and never want to have one.
Me: That's cool. If you don't like kids, it's better you never have one so you don't ruin your kid's life or your own.
CF: Omigod oppression! You think I'm less of a woman for not having babies!
Me: ???
CF: My womb doesn't belong to you, buster!
Me: I want nothing to do with your womb.
CF: I have very good reasons for staying childfree, I'll have you know. Other kids spit on me. Mommy didn't love me. Schizophrenia, autism, and tree fetishists run in my family and I don't want to pass on those genes. I don't want to spend all my money and time on some stinky, crying baby.
Me: Not having children is a personal choice. You don't have to explain yourself to me. You don't have to justify your decision to anyone.
CF: You don't respect my choice! No one respects me! Why, 5 years ago at Thanksgiving my aunt Erma asked me if I was ever having kids. See, see, I'm oppressed!
Me: ???
CF: Besides, people who do have children are selfish. Why would you want to be surrounded by a bunch of squalling crotch droppings?
Me: People have children for all sorts of reasons. Most parents love their children very much and would do anything for them. I think it's very unkind and immature of you to call children 'crotch droppings'.
CF: Omigod oppression! When will the breeder strangle-hold on humanity end!

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What you get, though, especially by the time you're my age, is acquaintances, work colleagues & c, who are fretting about their own 'biological clocks' and stuff, and asking whether you are looking for someone, & c, and assuming you feel as they do. Not getting their heads around the fact that what they want is not what you want. A lot of people assume that if you're 40 and single (and, indeed, a virgin), it's not because you actually want to be. I've ended up telling other people to chill out and not make themselves look so desperate, and enjoy what they have.

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Your acquaintances and colleagues ought to have enough class and discretion not to pry into your personal life. There are any number of reasons why a 40-year-old single woman would have no children, both willingly or unwillingly, and none of them are any of your acquaintances' business unless they are going to be doing the magic freak dance with you sometime soon.

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The amount of sheer, wanton bitchery on the childfree comms always amazes me. I mean, I'm childfree (but also still young), but jesus christ, the amount of energy these people expend on frothing at the mouth could be better spent taking a hot bath and calming the fuck down. There's misanthropy and there's pathological hate, and some of those people drift towards the latter.

You can always tell how people will be in other spheres of their life, too, based on what hate comms they're a member of on LJ. The anti-vegan people are famous for being frothing at the mouth rabid freakishly angry specimens of humanity. The anti-fat people are the same.

One of the most back stabbingly bitchy RPers I ever had the mispleasure of dealing with is an active member of an anti-vegan comm and an anti-fat comm, and in retrospect, looking at her posts there, she forms a perfect Trifecta of Bitchiness, and it doesn't surprise me in the least she was so much trouble.

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I am really starting to believe that the whole hardcore childfree thing is mostly just a way for straight white women to feel oppressed without ever actually having to be oppressed. Because real oppression sucks. Real oppression involves stuff like being forcibly sterilized, or being gassed to death because you're an ethnic minority, or having your clitoris sliced off with a rusty knife when you're seven-years-old.

It's either that, or the hardcore childfreers live in a parallel, but seperate, world called Breed-Or-Die-istan, where everyday is an endless round of abuse from breeders, who will harrass any childless woman to pump out as many babies as possible. I must somehow avoid living in this world, because despite being a female of childbearing age, I never experience this harrassment.

I don't think it's psychologically healthy to hate ANY group blindly, whether they're children, old people, obese people, Jews, Mexicans, whatever. And for GOD'S SAKE I am not saying childfree people should become parents. Furthest thing from it. If anything, communicating with them has me in full support of their position that they should remain childless.

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I think a lot of them are a) actually very young, b) poseurs, and c) hardcore animal rights/vegan types of the sort who simply hate human beings of any kind and idolise animals instead. As an omnivore who has yet to find another species with which I could sit up late at night drinking coffee and discussing poetry, I generally find that sort a pain in the backside. People who assume a dietary preference automatically make them morally superior and enables them to patronise others in consequence irritate the hell out of me. I know several people with illnesses which mean they are forced to have quite restricted diets, and I think a healthy person should be grateful they can eat anything.

At the same time, I don't think it's accurate to assume either straightness or whiteness on the part of people who are only visible in cyberspace.

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Noooot quite. I'm a hardcore vegan/animal rights person, and I'm far from the vitriol of the child free people. I don't see the relationship twixt the two groups at all. I think you're making a lot of assumptions there.

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Ah, Kali! You like the plants, huh? ;)

Me, I don't really have any problem with vegetarians/vegans. Although it really bites my ass when some of them claim not to eat meat because of moral reasons, then you see them scarfing down some mahi mahi or a chicken leg. Look, I don't care if it's technically not meat, that thing was flopping around till you whacked it's head off.

I really felt sorry for the veggie tourists I met in Turkey. Turkish food has lots of vegetables in it, but it's all cooked in animal fat or meat stock. The Turks aren't quite sure what vegetarianism is, except that it's possibly some sort of sexual deviancy.

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I haven't had any animal protein except by accident in the last ten years. The "accident" involved a first date at a Burmese restaurant and being served a pork samosa by a well meaning but sadly mistaken waiter, and ended in me being green for a few days and forever associating the guy I was out with henceforth with acute nausea and falling off the wagon.

I'm a vegan for both health and moral reasons.

I do love plants. I'm deeply into botany. I love planting them, raising them, and KILLING THEM AHAHAHAAHAH!

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Remember Mantis, the Avenger and Celestial Madonna who got knocked up by the plant-dude from the Cotati race? Everytime you bite into one of your succulent vegetable dishes, I want you to think about what you've done. YOU'RE EATING MANTIS' BABY DADDY.

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Perhaps I was a bit presumptuous in declaring them white sight unseen, but I stand by my belief that they are straight. Gay people are rather unlikely to biologically reproduce with their partners, for obvious reasons, unless their names are Lex Luthor and Superman.

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...may I metaquote you? Brilliantly said.

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Go ahead -- I'm bracing myself for a shitstorm once people happen across this post anyway. ;)

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Oh, I won't, hon, if you don't want the publicity. I just think you gave a very witty, dense and delicious serving of word.

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I'm actually very flattered you would offer. And goodness, I never post anything unless I'm prepared to support my statement. Just -- hardcore childfreers, ya know? DAYUM.

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Oh, they might flock here, and if so, it'll wind up on fandom_wank within twenty four hours. I can see it now because OMG the OPPRESSION of tax breaks and taking up the sidewalk with strollers and why do I have to pay taxes for Head Start?!

WHERE is that gorgeous icon from, btw? I keep meaning to ask.

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Thank you! The icon is Rose Red from Fables, it was made by

helyanwe.

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remix17.livejournal.com

THANK YOU.

I decided to become child free but after two weeks I just COULDN'T TAKE IT anymore. I've been thinking about making an LJ entry on their...whatever the heck it is they call it. Thanks for the reminder.

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remix17.livejournal.com

Er, I meant could not take the comm, not being childfree. XD

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